This us vs them meme has got to stop

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WW wouldn’t have made what it did if half of the audience weren’t males. Black Panther WILL NOT be success if white audience (both male and female) don’t turn up. Black Panther and WW are for everyone. Both women and black people can take special pride in them and it will clearly mean more to those groups but these movies are for everyone. Everyone has right to get excited about them, post about it in the tags, talk about it, learn about them, etc. 

I never felt Superman wasn’t for me or Batman or Batgirl or Lex Luthor or whoever just because they didn’t share my gender or race. Non black people shouldn’t feel or be made to feel that Black Panther isn’t for them just because few bloggers on tumblr/twitter are listing shitty fandom behavior targeted at black characters over the years.

Guess what, fandoms are full of trolls, racists and thoughtless idiots. Is what happens when you give people a computer to hide behind. That doesn’t mean you should measure fandoms based on their worst elements. You don’t get to hold everyone responsible. If you feel the need to engage in these kinds of useless endeavors, you may want to specifically call out individuals who are being hypocrite, who you know were being shit to black MCU characters but are now trying to jump on Black Panther. Be mindful that people also change.  

Black Panther has the chance to change Hollywood for good. It has the chance to change the view that if a movie has all black cast or almost all, that it is a “black movie.” That mentality in hollywood and entertainment press needs to change. Black Panther has the chance to become a box office hit and open the door to more black and non white movies. You aren’t helping that cause by trying to instigate an us vs them. You aren’t helping that cause by trying to run off white people from being part of this movie also. Stop trying to place Black Panther into a box. 

I swear that black folks can be their own worst enemies. Try to welcome people into the party instead of trying to run them off just because you want to score points against trolls and racists. You are kind of doing their work for them. 

Both women and black people need to stop politicizing WW and Black Panther. That can only result in backlash. Also stop trying to demonize groups of people. Women/girls shouldn’t be coming out of WW thinking that men suck, men aren’t needed, etc etc. Black people need to stop with white people this white people that. 

And for the love of god, stop trying to engage with trolls and racists on the net. That is losing battle. That pollutes the air, the conversations. So please stop helping trolls and racists. That is what y’all are doing. 

Wow.

Just… Wow.

That’s a lot of words to basically demand that Black people
adhere to respectability politics and ignore that MANY white superhero/comic
fans haven’t stopped showing their racist behinds since the second the Black
Panther movie came out.

And even before that, Black fans SPECIFICALLY have had to
watch comic book fans on and off tumblr dismiss, erase, and reduce Black
characters who have appeared in the MCU. Like it’s been YEARS and it’s clear
that the MCU fandom just isn’t hospitable to Black characters or fans unless it
can control them.

Black comic fans have spent years being TOLD that white
heroes weren’t for us, that superheroes weren’t for us. We have had to watch
fandom turn characters that look like us into sugar daddies, nannies,
sidekicks, lust-objects, and villains by fandom because of course we couldn’t
be heroes even in stories where we originally were.

You can find posts that list every single thing that fandom
has done to Black characters over the years and it’s not pretty. @mikeymagee has a
huge freaking list about things fandom has said or done towards Black
characters in Marvel.
 

And yet, there’s more stuff like how there was a
period of time where racist white fans got a kick out of Steve calling Nick
Fury racial slurs and would share memes of him doing so across fandom. Because
that? That started the very moment the Avengers movie came out. Like there was
one meme in particular that had hundreds of notes and only the recent (for the
time) ones were critical comments or reblogs where Steve straight up called
Nick a slur in front of the other Avengers and questioned his capabilities.

Like…

We have had to deal with this shit from day one.

It’s not just like there are just a scattered handful of
what you call “trolls and racists” out to make things difficult for
the ~real fans~. Racism is something that a majority of white folks in and out
of fandom don’t even get that they’re doing (and don’t want to get that they’re
doing when we do talk nicely to them) and so a majority of white fans in
fandom, from the popular ones on down, have been complicit in much of the
behavior in lists like the one I linked to.

Coddling them and telling us to be nice because they can change doesn’t stop them from
turning him into a wealthy Mammy figure for the Avengers. Telling us that Black Panther is for everyone is
useless when the second that he appeared in the teasers for Civil War, fandom
as a whole tried to take his blackness away from him and his Black fans.

Black Panther will only change Hollywood if Hollywood wants
to be changed. It doing well isn’t going to make white execs go “wow,
that’s not a black movie, it’s an everyone movie”. 

It’s not going to automatically
lead to Black actors, actresses, and crews getting more opportunities. 

We saw
this with Moonlight, with Hidden Figures, with successful Black media over
the years: when we succeed, it’s written off as a fluke. Only a miracle will
change a CENTURY of racism in Hollywood. Black Panther, probably won’t change
much considering that Luke Cage (a
show that BROKE NETFLIX and got a ton of amazing reviews) was immediately
followed up by the super white and super cringey Iron Fist and there are no new diverse heroes in MCU’s Netflix
offerings getting a solo series.

Like there’s being hopeful and there’s being hopelessly naive.

And let’s get real here: you need to do some research before
you make a post like this where you say that “Both women and black people
need to stop politicizing WW and Black Panther”.

Clearly, you know nothing about the history and significance
of either character if you’re out
here talking about depoliticizing the first Black superhero with a solo series
and the first female superhero that wasn’t a sidekick.

I mean, read a book maybe? Let me give you recs because I
think you need them.

  1. Jill Lepore’s The Secret
    History of Wonder Woman
  2. Tim Hanley Wonder Women
    Unbound: The Curious History of the World’s Most Famous Heroine
  3. Noah Berlatsky’s Wonder Woman:
    Bondage and Feminism in the Marston/Peter Comics 1941-1948
  4. Jeffrey A. Brown’s Black
    Superheroes, Milestone Comics, and Their Fans
  5. Black Comics: Politics
    of Race and Representation
  6. Adilifu Nama’s Super Black:
    American Pop Culture and Black Superheroes

While I’m being nice and giving you recs to things you
probably won’t read, let me give you some links to my own writing that talk
about antiblackness and racism in fandom spaces (and comic spaces) because this
is kind of my wheelhouse.

  1. Stitch on Fansplaining’s Two-Part Episode About Race
    and Fandom!
  2. Black Ladies Deserve Love Too: Lupita Nyong’o,
    Concern Trolling, and White Feminism
  3. Black Pain and Death in Captain America:
    Civil War
  4. Grayson #20 and WOC as the “Wrong Choice”
    Love Interests
  5. The Techniques of Erasure (This
    has a lot of MCU specific examples with Links)
  6. Dear Comic Fans: We Get it. You’re racist and
    racebending scares you.
  7. The
    presentation I did for PCAACA 2017 on antiblack racism in superhero fandoms

Please read like everything you can. 

The kindle copies for
some of these books are under $10 but if they’re not affordable enough for you,
you can always hit up your local library and put in a request.

You’re approaching this conversation from a place of visible
ignorance of how fandom/Hollywood works when it comes to race. You’ve also
dismissed the valid feelings of Black fans and their right to respond to people
starting shit.

Regardless of your own race (whatever it may be because I’m
not going on your blog to check…), this sort of post is super unacceptable for
a bunch of reasons. Least of all the fact that you have no idea what you’re
talking about and think a call to respectability politics in fandom is more
important than doing something about the unashamed racists that permeate fandom
spaces and make it impossible for Black fans to have something that’s just for
us.

Please read a book or some of the links I linked you. If you need nother references, I’ll try and find some for you. But please, read something before making a post like this and get educated.

Because this was just… kind of cringey.

Do you remember the specific comic where Superman’s white privilege is addressed? I would love to read it.

Okay so I found the comic I was looking for and the specific panels I remembered. Unfortunately, it’s less awesome to reread it. Which… sucks. It’s an issue of Action Comics I think, where Lois is interviewing Diana while dealing with her own internalized misogyny (it’s a thing…)

And this conversation happens:

It’s… 

Okay so while it brings up the clear fact that Superman came as far as he did because he has the privilege of looking like and being raised as a conventionally attractive white man (comparing him to both J’onn Jones and Black hero Steel), it’s also still very “well it’s not his/Diana’s fault that they have privilege and at least they use their powers for good”.

Which is not cool and I’m sorry I got your/everyone’s hopes up about this comic.

While the panels do spell out the basics “if Superman didn’t look white, he wouldn’t have the freedom he does to maneuver” which pokes even more holes in Supergirl’s whole “white aliens experiencing racism/if they date it’s interracial/whatever” nonsense, it’s not done in as progressive a way as I swore it did.

If you want a comic that more explicitly looks at the privilege Superman has and directly compares it to the lack of privilege a Black hero has in the same/a similar world, io9 has this piece up about Icon #16 which pits Superman up against his Milestone analogue Icon (who was raised as a slave in the South and whose slowed aging/near immortality means that he’s lived through some of the most dangerous times in history to be a Black man.)

It doesn’t get resolved the way I wanted but as with the other comic, this was written in the early 1990s and well… few comics ended the way I wanted them to, back then.

If you want me to try and hunt down the issue for you, let me know and I’ll answer you privately, but here’s a scan from the issue that io9 posted within their article:

This comic though, better than the one I’d mentioned earlier, is a much better example of the privilege Superman has and how that informs the kind of hero he is and how much power he has.

I’m sorry for my mediocre memory and i hope Icon #16 is more satisfying!

(I’m going to add a link to that post back to this so people can see this because man, while I wasn’t wrong about the comic… I wasn’t hella correct about what I was remembering. Ugh.)

Destiny, NY is ideal Urban Fantasy

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This is how male writers view female characters – “it’s a bad idea to kill them off because of publicity”, with no consideration of Mary Jane’s own legacy. They would do it if there were no consequences for them, and it would probably be another 50 years before she’s ever seen again.

That’s not what happens for male characters. I can’t sneeze in the vicinity of Male Hero No. 304848 without someone bringing up their legacy and importance to comic book history. But killing a female character that’s been around for decades? You get the snide, underhanded “ess jay double-yews will lynch us!!! lol!!!”. 

And Marc Guggenheim, paving his way to hell so he can pokebattle the devil for the hottest gym in town, making a rape joke. Because what’s better than fantasising about the rape and murder of an iconic female character?

Don’t forget this is something Marc is quite fond of doing

Spider-man is being written by four men, and they view such a huge part of Spider-man comics as a nuisance they can’t get rid of.

To be honest:

If your opinion on racebending is anything other than “it sucks that original characters of color can’t get really great screen time but I support diversity and representation and will probably love how they’re portrayed”,

You’re probably a racist.

Because unless you kick up a fuss every single time that a comic or book character doesn’t match your expectations for authenticity – as with how the CW’s Ollie and Barry don’t have an accurate hair color or personality when compared to the comics or with the Ancient One being whitewashed in Doctor Strange – you’re choosing to save your outrage for when people of color get to shine.

And that, my friend, is fucking racist.

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Dear comic book fans,

With the casting of Zendaya as Mary-Jane Watson in the upcoming Spider-Man film, I’ve noticed some tension and controversy surrounding this topic, and I just want you all to know…

WE COMIN FOR ALL YOUR REDHEADS!
WE TOOK MARY JANE
WE TOOK IRIS WEST
WE TOOK WALLY WEST
WE TOOK JIMMY OLSEN
WE COMIN FOR JEAN GREY NEXT
WE’LL MAKE BLACK WIDOW A MUTHAFUCKIN BLACK WIDOW

Let’s Stop Giving The Killing Joke More Credit Than It Deserves

I reject the idea that “The Killing Joke” is necessary in order to have Barbara become Oracle.

I also reject the idea that the Joker “created” Oracle.

Disability representation is incredibly important, that’s why DC’s retcon of Barbara’s many years as Oracle struck a blow to many disabled comic book readers. I won’t fight against that. I also won’t pretend that the Batgirl of Burnside series didn’t have its own problems (such as the ableist cure-all that carried over from Gail Simone’s run and problems that were unique to the run such as the transmisogyny in issue #37).

But what I will fight against is the way that DC comics and its fanbase won’t let go of The Killing Joke and how they insist on tying it to Oracle as a symbol or moment of empowerment when it really isn’t.

Content warnings for references to sexual trauma (assault and torture) in the text and in linked posts, ableism, a brief mention of fandom racism (specifically antiblackness towards Luke Fox) and a mention of transmisogyny in Batgirl #37. There are no images from The Killing Joke (comic or animated film) or of the Joker in the body of this post.